Present: Omar Almaini, Alastair Edge, Richard Jameson, Nige Hambly, Phil Lucas,
Mike Irwin, Simon Dye, Steve Warren
Actions labeled e.g. **MJI
Status of pipeline
The sequence of data reduction is:
1. linearise, 2. dark subtract, 3. flat field, 4. decurtain, 5. sky
subtract
Step (1) appears to be unnecessary and is not implemented. In step (3)
sky flats are used, created by combining 5s flats taken with counts
that are substantially higher than in the data. In step (4) in arrays
#2 and #4 single channels are occasionally visibly low, but this is
not viewed as an important concern. In (5) the main worry is blobs
produced by crud on the field lens, which can vary in intensity quite
rapidly in time, and can shift slightly spatially. In ZYJH it is
believed to be due to scattered light (mostly from moon) while in K
thermal emission also contributes. Currently under study, and not yet
implemented are removal of cross-talk and persistence ghosts. Cross
talk produces ghost images in nearby channels that (strangely) are the
derivative along (? or across) the channel of the image of bright
stars. Cross-talk ghosts of heavily saturated stars look like washers,
while ghosts of unsaturated stars are negative-positive images.
Although undesirable, cross-talk images are unlikely to be classified
as real. Persistence images are more pernicious as they could be
classified as real.
The catalogues do not currently include all the relevant
information. Missing items include photometric errors, and Petrosian
and Kron magnitudes.
The entire May-June observing block has been pipelined. It is planned
to redo the catalogue generation at some stage in the near future.
The WCS system is ZPN which IRAF does not understand. Jim Lewis has
written an IRAF patch.
Catalogues are generated for a product e.g. an interlaced pawprint, or
an image stack. Quality control parameters are put into the
catalogue header, but it was unclear if these appeared anywhere in the
archive at present. The DXS wanted to have QC information for every frame taken if possible.
QC plots presented show rather large drifts in ellipticity over
relative short periods. It was suggested that this could be due to
drift of the focus.
**MJI to clarify on Science Verification page the consequences for
IRAF users of the ZPN WCS, and to ensure the patch is made available.
**MJI check whether dark flushing is implemented after filter changes,
and if this should be included in future MSBs
**MJI requested to have current pipeline procedures, issues, and items
missing from catalogues summarised on the Science Verification TWiki
page.
**NCH to check that QC parameters from catalogue headers are
propagated.
**SJW to follow up with JAC the drift in ellipticity seen in images on
timescales of about one hour.
**MJI,AE continue discussion on QC parameters for every DXS (and presumably UDS) frame
Archive
We discussed the propagation of fluxes for stars and galaxies from the
detection tables (i.e. single band) to the source tables (i.e. lists
of matched objects, therefore including colours). Colours need to be
useful for both stars and galaxies, but the user should have the
flexibility of defining the exact star/galaxy boundary. This implies
propagating both a suitable stellar flux (FWHM preferred until psf
implemented), and a galaxy flux (2" aperture magnitude in the absence
of Petrosian magnitudes) for all objects in all bands. The issue
becomes moot once the list-driven photometric catalogue appears. Users
are invited to attempt to justify addition of any further flux
measure.
Overheads, microstepping, integration times
Email of 26/7 from Andy Adamson was discussed. With expected software
improvements, using the basic 5s integration results in 59%
efficiency. This is unsatisfactorily slow. All present found it
curious that the data taken was substantially slowed down by
'synchronisation loop and data handling' activities. If these could
somehow be executed in parallel very significant efficiency gains
would be made. The total time saved over the lifetime of the surveys
could easily justify substantial cost to achieve this.
The DXS and UDS will now adopt 10s as standard, which should be 74%
efficient. The LAS, GPS, GCS then discussed whether they should drop
microstepping in order to improve efficiency. There was a general
feeling that microstepping doesn't gain you much in photometric
accuracy, but could be important for astrometry. A compromise solution
might be to microstep in the repeat bands only (K for GPS and GCS, and
J for LAS). Then if improved sampling were important for other science
e.g. galaxy surface-brightness profiles, this would be achieved in the
astrometry band.
**Survey Heads to decide on future microstepping strategy in
consultation with working groups.
SDT and MSB design
Noone was keen on the JAC suggestions that MSBs should be limited to
15min in length. Arguments against i) it wouldn't suit the pipeline,
which works better with long runs in a single filter, ii) the number
of MSBs would be 4 times greater, presumably demanding more frequent
uploads to keep the number of MSBs in the database to a manageable
size, iii) the problem of getting contiguous coverage will be made worse.
There is a problem that the SDT sometimes selects galaxies as guide
stars. The understanding is that this is because it uses USNO-A
(useable online). What we really want is USNO-B. SDSS has been
mentioned, but it would be better to have an all-sky catalogue so that
the same procedure is used for all surveys.
**SD to liaise with Martin Folger on how to get USNO-B used, with
galaxies excluded.
**SD to liaise with Martin Folger on how to get a numbering scheme
into the naming of MSBs in an automated way
**SD to liaise with Martin Folger to check whether the revised
measurement of the exact location of the guide field, realtive to
the arrays, has been propagated to the ST
Observing
There does not seem to be a detailed protocol for observing standards,
other than it should be done every hour. This means that there is no
guarantee that the extinction is measureable from a night of
observations. This will get taken up at a planned meeting of the
calibration working group.
We need a protocol for dealing with interrupted MSBs in the situation
where the MSB will be fine if just part of it is redone (e.g. say just
the last 10mins). Some observers have successfully redone the last
part, but insufficient information was available to CASU to process
the data in the way it should have been.
**SJW to raise this with JAC.
Charting progress
The best would be a zoomable sky map in each band (as in the WSA, but more
detailed). Every MSB would be shown, and numbered, with 3-colour
coding (unobserved, observed, in archive). So we need to devise a
numbering scheme so that every MSB is unique, and on the map.
Selection of MSBs to observe, prioritisation, etc.
The two survey heads who have observed expressed misgivings about the
QT. Having divided a survey into blocks, if a particular block is
selected then we would like the MSBs to proceed sequentially by
ranking. For example for stable conditions, in the LAS if the HK MSB
has been done, we would like the next MSB executed to be the YJ MSB on
the same field (and they are ranked to achieve this). With the current
algorithm this does not necessarily occur, probably because of the
weighting by airmass. In any case if there are over 100 MSBs in a
project inevitably some MSBs get the same ranking. Can a decimal point
be added to the ranking? Survey heads are unwilling to break down
their projects into smaller blocks. The LAS has 16 blocks, and it
would be difficult to keep track of a greater number. Nevertheless any
one block could have 500 MSBs, which JAC find uncomfortably large.
Here, using the LAS as an example, is an outline of how we would like
it to work. UKIDSS produce all MSBs for a block (as many as
500). Every MSB has a number or label that is unique. If the block is
selected, the MSBs are executed sequentially (the airmass range is not
large across a block).
Omar suggested that the surveys produce an observing guide, to ease
choices for observers at the summit. This should certainly be
considered, but what we want will depend on our discussions with JAC on the above.
**Survey heads: produce useful naming/numbering scheme for all future
MSBs
**SJW: liaise with JAC over these issues, and develop discussion
between JAC and survey heads
OMP
The OMP is less obviously useful than for PATT projects. Nevertheless
with a better naming/numbering scheme it could be,
particularly if the blocks proceed sequentially.
-- SteveWarren - 29 Jul 2005